Source
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth — Sequoia CEO coach: Why it’s never been easier to start a company, and never been harder to scale one | Brian Halligan (co-founder, HubSpot) (February 15, 2026) ·
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When this applies
when an organization has drifted toward optimizing for one stakeholder group (employees, investors, or customers) at the expense of another, measurable in comparable scores
The takeaway
Identify which stakeholder you're over-indexed on using comparable metrics, and consciously trade some of that advantage for the underserved one via structural and ritual changes, not just intent.
Why it works
Organizations have a single 'center of gravity' among customer/employee/investor focus; strong early cultural investment (an engaged co-founder/HR leader) can overshoot into one direction, and correcting it requires deliberately trading points in the overindexed metric for points in the underindexed one, reinforced through comp plans, recurring rituals (customer panels), and repeated messaging.
One level up
A company's culture tends toward whichever center of gravity gets measured, rewarded, and ritualized most — change the structure to change the center.
Where it stops holding
This stops working if the company lacks comparable metrics (e.g., parallel employee/customer NPS) to even detect the imbalance, or if leadership isn't willing to spend real comp-plan and meeting-time capital to shift it.
Detail
situation: HubSpot was the #1-ranked workplace on Glassdoor (Brian the #1 CEO), with employee NPS around 60 vs. customer NPS around 25.
decision: Brian decided he'd trade 10 points of employee NPS for 10 points of customer NPS; shifted management meeting time, added recurring customer panels (including at board meetings) asking 'what do you love/hate about HubSpot', and changed comp plans so management was paid on retention/NPS rather than just revenue.
outcome: Center of gravity shifted toward customer-centricity over time while still caring about employees.
lesson: Being 'liked' and topping best-place-to-work rankings isn't necessarily a sign of health; deliberately rebalance stakeholder focus using structural levers (comp, recurring rituals) rather than just messaging.
In their words
I was like, we need to take, I would give up 10 points of employee net promoter score to get 10 points of customer net promoter score.