ExpertsFMVlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479]
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy · June 23, 2026
5 Selected Lessons:
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House view as preparedness, not prediction
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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy — Vlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479] (June 23, 2026) · at 10:41 ▸
When this applies
when any organization sets a strategic view about the future under deep uncertainty
The takeaway
Replace prediction-based strategy with preparedness-based strategy: define what durable capabilities and liquidity postures you want regardless of which specific future unfolds.
Why it works
Macro prediction games have poor hit rates even for specialists ('I've been a macro trader, that game hardly works'), so building a view around durable business/franchise selection and flexible liquidity is more robust than betting on specific forecasted outcomes.
One level up
Under genuine uncertainty, optimize for robustness and optionality rather than for correctness of forecast.
Where it stops holding
This stops working when an organization actually has a durable, repeatable informational edge in forecasting a specific variable, in which case targeted prediction can outperform generic preparedness.
Detail
procedure:
- Reject forecasting-driven overweights/underweights (e.g., 'overweight Europe') as the organizing principle.
- Define which long-term businesses/franchises (e.g., private equity as a multi-year business) the organization wants to be in, independent of near-term environment views.
- Maintain the right balance of liquidity versus long-term commitments so the organization can always react.
- Restrict expansion to regions/asset classes where genuine relationships and expertise exist (e.g., avoiding Europe despite its topical interest, due to lack of local expertise).
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rationale: Vlad states explicitly: 'we're not in the business of predicting the future, we're in the business of being prepared for all its eventualities.'
In their words
In fact, one of the sayings we have at Liberty Mutual Investments is to say we're not in the business of predicting the future, we're in the business of being prepared for all its eventualities.
Long-term thinking as a true discipline, not an excuse
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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy — Vlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479] (June 23, 2026) · at 1:00:44 ▸
When this applies
when any leader is tempted to invoke 'long-term thinking' to explain away current underperformance
The takeaway
Genuine long-term orientation requires explicit, separately tracked short-term and multi-year targets held simultaneously — not a blanket deferral of accountability to 'the long run.'
Why it works
The long term is literally constructed out of a series of short terms (like a yield curve built from forward short rates), so claiming immunity from short-term accountability while still accumulating short-term results is logically inconsistent; holding both time horizons accountable prevents long-termism from becoming a rhetorical shield.
One level up
Any claimed structural advantage (like a long time horizon) must still be operationalized into accountable, measurable commitments, or it degenerates into an excuse.
Where it stops holding
This stops working when short-term metrics are so noisy or irrelevant to the underlying business that tracking them at all introduces distortion rather than discipline.
Detail
approach: Be cognizant of the one-year calendar result, but put explicit 3-5 year targets in place and hold the team meaningfully accountable to those rather than to the one-year number alone.
signals:
- Leaders citing 'long-term' as justification for persistent underperformance
- Lack of explicit multi-year targets alongside annual ones
- Opaque or poorly communicated business performance to stakeholders
rationale: Vlad warns that invoking the long term 'for the most part' ends up being 'some form of excuses' unless paired with real accountability structures and transparency, since 'no transparency, no autonomy.'
In their words
I think when people say that for the most part, what you end up with, I do mean the most part, is some form of excuses as to why, sure, this is not great, but it will be if you wait long enough.
Earn referral-based deal flow by never burning curiosity
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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy — Vlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479] (June 23, 2026) · at 13:49 ▸ · at 35:21 ▸
When this applies
when any organization's reputation for engagement quality determines whether high-quality opportunities keep coming its way
The takeaway
Treat every interaction with a potential partner as a reputational investment, because referral networks amplify both good and bad behavior disproportionately.
Why it works
A referral-driven deal pipeline is a trust network; any single dismissive or incurious interaction can propagate negatively through that network and dry up future referrals, so consistent curious engagement is a compounding asset.
One level up
In relationship-driven markets, the marginal interaction is never truly 'low stakes' because it feeds a compounding reputation signal.
Where it stops holding
This stops working in pure transactional/anonymous markets where reputation and referrals don't meaningfully drive deal flow (e.g., highly commoditized, price-only competition).
Detail
rule: Build and protect a culture where every employee engages new ideas with curiosity and entrepreneurial spirit, because reputation is the asset that produces referral-based deal flow.
threshold: 'the first time someone turns that call away or behaves in a manner which doesn't demonstrate curiosity and entrepreneurial spirit, those referrals... will dry up.'
rationale: Vlad views cultivating this culture as one of his largest personal responsibilities as CIO, not a minor HR matter.
In their words
Because the first time someone turns that call away or behaves in a manner which doesn't demonstrate curiosity and entrepreneurial spirit, those referrals that I talked about earlier, they'll dry up because the reputation is built on that entrepreneurial spirit.
Valuation questions shift from macro inputs to existential business survival under AI uncertainty
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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy — Vlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479] (June 23, 2026) · at 46:22 ▸
When this applies
when any investor must value an asset whose long-run relevance (not just its growth rate or margins) is newly uncertain due to technological disruption
The takeaway
When uncertainty shifts from 'how fast will this grow' to 'will this business still be relevant at all,' treat it as a distinct, more severe category of risk requiring structurally different (lower, steeper) pricing — not merely an adjustment to existing macro-driven valuation inputs.
Why it works
Traditional multiple-setting assumes you can be reasonably confident which businesses persist over a long horizon; when the very existence/relevance of a business model over 10-15 years is in question (not just its growth rate), the appropriate response is structurally lower multiples and steeper credit curves, not just a different macro input into the same valuation model.
One level up
Classify uncertainty by its type (cyclical/macro vs. existential/structural) before applying a standard valuation framework, because the same framework misprices different uncertainty types.
Where it stops holding
This stops working when the disruption fear turns out to be overstated for a specific business (e.g., incumbents like Salesforce retain indispensable entrenchment), in which case the discount embedded in lower multiples would be excessive.
Detail
rule: Ask not whether current customers will keep using a product, but whether the next generation of trillion-dollar companies (not yet existing) will ever adopt it — if not, that's a valuation headwind even if existing adoption persists.
threshold: Distinguish 'cash cow business, deserves a different multiple' from a growth business — the cash-cow label itself signals a required re-rating.
rationale: Vlad: 'You will likely have trillion dollar companies in 2030 that currently don't exist, and you probably have trillion dollar companies or many $100,000,000,000 companies that will not exist.'
In their words
The question is, is the company, that trillion dollar company I mentioned before, that isn't even around today, that's still an idea somewhere, will they ever use Salesforce as part of their ecosystem? And if the answer is no, that should absolutely be a massive headwind to the valuation of Salesforce, even though every Fortune 500 company may use Salesforce into perpetuity.
Immigrant scarcity mindset shaping an organization's risk-taking culture
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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy — Vlad Barbalat - Investing $120 Billion in Permanent Capital - [Invest Like the Best, EP.479] (June 23, 2026) · at 23:40 ▸ · at 28:04 ▸ · at 30:41 ▸
When this applies
when a leader's personal formative experience of scarcity, lack of entitlement, or constrained systems shapes the risk-taking and improvement culture they later build in an organization
The takeaway
A leader's personally internalized belief about entitlement and scarcity can be deliberately translated into organizational incentive and governance structures that reward similar behavior at scale.
Why it works
Growing up without entitlement or guaranteed opportunity instills an ingrained drive to never settle for 'good enough' and to actively seek improvement, because nothing was ever assumed to be owed; this personal disposition, when scaled into organizational policy (hiring, incentives, governance), produces a culture that rewards continuous iteration and calculated entrepreneurial risk.
One level up
Culture is not accidental — it is the product of specific incentive and governance choices that encode a founder's/leader's personal worldview.
Where it stops holding
This stops working when leaders assume the mindset will spontaneously spread without explicit incentive/governance structures — Vlad states this requires purposeful development, not just personal example.
Detail
situation: Vlad grew up in Soviet Moldova under persecution and scarcity, internalizing a sense of non-entitlement and constant striving for improvement (illustrated by the 'croissant' contrast with one type of bread under the USSR).
decision: He deliberately built Liberty Mutual Investments' culture, incentives, and governance to reward curiosity, entrepreneurial risk-taking, and continuous iteration rather than complacency.
outcome: This has produced a team willing to take 'entrepreneurial risk' inside a large, stable insurance balance sheet — something Vlad says 'shouldn't be taken for granted.'
lesson: Personal formative experience can be a legitimate, deliberate design input for organizational culture, provided it is translated into concrete incentive and governance mechanisms rather than left as personal anecdote.
In their words
We have been incredibly purposeful in developing a culture where people have the incentive, the types of people that would be curious and interested, and have the governance structure in place to actually take those risks.